Kyle is the winner of the TRV contest. He is a 24 year old physics major in Europe and first visited the PSI TECH chatroom and website in 1998. We asked Kimberly to interview him for The Matrix. Here is his story.
TM: How did you first become interested in TRV?
Kyle: I was searching for something specific. I knew I needed something
but I hadn't figured out what it was yet. At the time I called it
"The key that would allow me access to other doors." I knew it
was what I had to look for, but what it was remained a mystery.
TM: When you were searching, do you mean physically,
like on the Internet? Or philosophically?
Kyle: First it was self-analysis. Then it became
a search. I figured I would be led to something if I were
on track. It was a time where I had idealistic dreams.
I wanted to go to India, learn from holy men, etc…I was 18.
I guess synchronicity happened. I decided to pick up some old
articles I had had since I was a kid, and never had paid much
attention to. My father had given them to me. It happened
to be IEEE magazine articles from Stanford Research
Institute with reports of the first experiences and results
before Technical Remote Viewing from the 70's. So it got
me really interested, it was a good start.
TM: And that led you to PSI TECH?
Kyle: The first time I heard about PSI TECH
was on the Internet. Things I read there. I didn't
pay much attention to it at the time.
Then I started checking other RV web sites. It seemed interesting; some of them were
making some fantastic claims. I was looking for something I could do,
and I didn't have money to go to the US.
Then I started reading more about PSI TECH. I really liked them,
because even if they were also making unbelievable claims,
it was a different approach then what I had seen so far. They seemed more objective and didn't make vague
claims like you usually see those psychics do. TRV is technical in nature.
TM: Were you attracted to the idea of direct knowledge?
Kyle: Direct knowledge?
TM: Getting the knowledge from yourself rather
than relying on others?
Kyle: I didn't think about it in those terms at
the time. I was fascinated by the nature of remote
viewing and what it meant. The ramifications of what it implied.
TM: What did it mean to you?
Kyle: It meant that there was much more than
meets the eye. And I might have found what I was looking
for. No more blah, blah, blah, blank stuff and hocus-pocus.
This was objective talk. Don't forget, I had the SRI articles background.
TM: Was it then you realized this might be
the key to accessing those other doors?
Kyle: Yes. I realized this could very well
be the answer to what I was asking.
TM: Is that when you ordered the TRV training course?
Kyle: Well, by then I had taken another look at
PSI TECH and changed my mind somewhat. They were selling
a product, and that is what I needed, since I
couldn't afford personal training.
TM: Did the fact that PSI TECH was connected
to SRI research and the military give it validity for you?
Kyle: Well, it all remained in the realm of
possibilities for me, but the crosscheck information,
etc., made me think that it was worth paying attention to.
Then I decided to buy the tapes. I knew it could all
be bogus, but I decided to buy the tapes, not believing
it would work necessarily. What I decided was I
was paying for the possibility. Even if it turned
out to be a fake, it didn't matter. Just finding
out was worth the money. I paid to find out. I
figured it was way too important not to.
TM: So you got the tapes.
TM: So you watched it, and tried it?
TM: And what happened.
Kyle: Nothing much, I failed a lot. Nothing conclusive.
TM: So what made you continue?
Kyle: Well, two things. One was by watching
the tapes I understood there was a structure there
that wasn't just some made up thing. It had an
internal coherence that would be difficult to make up,
so it caught my interest. The other thing was the
chat room support. I met Joni and others, in chat.
She was smart. And objective. I like smart people. I was probing.
TM: So you met other RV'ers in the chat room?
Kyle: Yes, meanwhile I started posting
in their online training bulletin board and asking
questions actively, to learn more. Support kept
me going. It was vital. In my case, I would have quit
without support. I didn't have amazing sessions
from the start or sessions where I would say, "Wow!" It was gradual, painful and slow.
TM: But you did eventually?
Kyle: I had good enough session from time to time to keep me going.
TM: To make you believe in the process?
Kyle: No, I never fully believed in it.
TM: So when did you believe in it?
Kyle: Much later. When the quality of some sessions
allowed me to see that it couldn't be by chance.
TM: So would you say that practice and persistence paid off?
TM: What was the most difficult part of the learning
process of TRV? What were some of your frustrations?
Kyle: Continuing to practice for a long time, not
really knowing if it was true or not, without seeming
to get anywhere. That was the most difficult. It required lots of will power.
TM: Did seeing others go through the training and learning process help you?
Kyle: Yes, seeing others helps too.
TM: Did they give you support, advice?
Kyle: Yes, as I said, I think the TRV BB is essential
and seeing other people's examples and successes motivates you too.
TM: Is that what kept you going?
Kyle: The possibility that it was true was too important
to give it up. It is a calling. I just knew I had to do it.
TM: What would you tell other struggling students?
Kyle: To struggling students, (since they are struggling
I would assume they are really trying to learn it), to them I would say,
don't quit. Keep practicing with discipline and persistence.
TM: What has been the greatest reward from TRV?
Kyle: $1200 worth of tapes (i.e. the contest prize)
(Kyle and TM laugh)
Kyle: Let me think. A sense of assurance.
A certain peace of mind from knowing that we know
more than nothing, that we just started to open
the doors and that each one leads to many more.
TM: What has been the greatest obstacle for you?
TM: The fact that you speak another language
and must translate your sessions, has that been a problem?
Kyle: No, it's just a long and boring process.
TM: So living overseas hasn't been a hindrance for you?
Kyle: Not really.
TM: Have you changed in anyway, since learning TRV?
Kyle: I think the previous answer fits the question to the reward answer too.
TM: The doors one?
TM: So it's given you a sense of peace and assurance. Security?
Kyle: In a way, but on the other hand, it has left me in paradigm limbo.
TM: How so?
Kyle: The old reality paradigms don't
work well in me anymore, and the new ones aren't
set in yet. I guess it can be compared to a civilization shock in some ways.
TM: Like "frames of reference"?
Kyle: Yes. Humans need stability in their reality constructs.
TM: So in a way, then, you've lost your security.
Kyle: Yes. I'm in no man's land.
TM: They say in order to think anew, you must
break those old frames of references. Do you think TRV is doing that for you?
Kyle: Yes. It's shattering my old ones little by little.
TM: Both scary and exciting?
Kyle: Yes. But very stressful to. It's true, it can be very hard to cope with.
TM: So, your best session?
Kyle: I would say the contest one.
TM: Yes. The pinnacle of your Technical Remote Viewing career?
Kyle: No, just the start.
Why Was This Target Chosen for the TRV Contest?
By Joni Dourif, President of PSI TECH
February 8, 2002
Last December we held a TRV Contest in response to a continuous stream of requests to do so. Since
PSI TECH's TRV Advanced Training System is on the verge of release, I thought that this would be
a great opportunity to give the advanced tapes to a winning Technical Remote Viewer (aka
TRVer). However, then I had to go about the task of choosing an appropriate target for the
contest. I didn't want to choose one that would be too easy and I didn't want one that would too
difficult either. So, I thought about it for a few days and decided to choose one that we (PSI
TECH) have been using as a training target for over ten years. To my pleasant surprise, over the
weeks to follow, we had many contest entries. Sessions were sent in from throughout the United States and Canada and
several came from overseas. Yesterday, when the target was unveiled, many people asked, "Why
did you pick that target?" So, I decided to make the answer to that question the subject of
today's The Signal Line E-zine article.
PSI TECH's President Joni Dourif with the target feedback
The target I chose was "The Statue of Liberty." This is a bit of a trick target because it resembles
a person, however, it is a man-made structure. A trained TRVer perceives the ideas of "life-form"
and "man made" within the first few minutes. Then as the viewer progresses through the TRV
protocols, going from general gestalts to more specific percepts, the next ideas that inevitably pop
up are "water, people and activity". The sketches begin to resemble concrete angles with a flat
surface on water and intangible ideas emerge such as: "patriotic and discovery." As our TRVers
get closer and closer to the target, emotions from the people who are present (real time) at the
target site begin to percolate up. Emotions such as "amusement, happy, and awe" in conjunction
with tangible data such as: "island, concrete, landmark, and crowds." Most sketches around this
point begin to mimic images of the unique winding stair well inside of the hollow Statue of Liberty structure.
Several contestants ended their sessions at this point, concluding that the target had something to
do with the "events involving the current war on terrorism." However, had they continued pursuing
the data by employing their skills, they would have realized their rush in judgment.
The TRVers, who continued to persevere against this target, next began to perceive more sophisticated
intangible ideas such as: "historical, right of passage, new land, liberty, freedom, and
immigration." This target is rich with intangibles. The sketches around this point also become
more refined and begin to resemble a crude figure with an arm in the air, on top of an angular
platform, with signs of water at the base.
Now, the emotions of "amusement and awe" of the people at the target site in conjunction with
the ideas of "patriotic and freedom" begin to paint quite a different picture.
Now, let me tell you that every single contest entry (that was in TRV structure) actually "got the
target." Not one of them missed it. However, only a few followed through with a thorough
investigation of the target site and finished downloading the rest of the data. So, in actuality, the
Statue of Liberty is not a difficult target to perceive but it is a very rich one. Rich in history,
meaning, functionality, image and structural detail. This has been a great training target for years
because of the fact that the TRVer who perseveres until the session is completed ends up sketching
the target so successfully that the corroborating data make the end conclusion an obvious one.
Congratulations to (one of) our European TRVers who won the contest!
However, there were many runners-up, as well. Like I said everyone "got the target." Some just
stuck with it longer than others. The
winning session is translated from a foreign language into English, by Kyle, and is posted below for all to see.
Click here to
view the winning TRV session.
Recent Articles Written by Joni Dourif:
01/18/02: TRV is "Site Specific." What Does That Mean?
01/04/02: How Optimum Trajectories Affect One's Future
11/16/01: Learning TRV via Videotape Vs. Classroom Training
10/10/01: Remote Viewing Blind Vs. Frontloaded
08/20/01: What is Remote Viewing and
Why Remote Viewers Abhor Being Referred to as "Psychics"